EU Proposals – Your Thoughts!

Clarification – 28-09-11: Let’s be clear the list on this page of what is being alleged to be contained in the EU proposal by the European Commission are false.  To reiterate all the statements on this page are  fiction but most have been publicised in the press as fact regarding the European Commissions proposal, we are not responsible for the interpretation of said comments etc.

Demos and protests took place in 2011 against proposed EU Legislation regarding motorcycles. However what seemed confusing to us was what was being stated as the reasons for the protests and what was being used to get riders out on the street to protest.

We set this page up so that you can leave your thoughts and comments. If you read through or just scroll down you can leave those below.

Fact Or Fiction

Clarification – 28-09-11: Let’s be clear the list on this page of what is being alleged to be contained in the EU proposal by the European Commission are false.  To reiterate all the statements on this page are  fiction but most have been publicised in the press as fact regarding the European Commissions proposal, we are not responsible for the interpretation of said comments etc.  

Your Thoughts!

All these alleged anti-motorcycle proposals have been lifted from discussions and reports.

But there is a lot of misinformation out there, scaring people unnecessarily.

What have you heard and what do you believe is contained in the EU proposals?

What are your thoughts on these European proposal?

How will they affect motorcycling?

How will they affect you?

You can comment and leave your thoughts below!

And we can comment on your comments!

Have You Heard

Clarification – 28-09-11: Let’s be clear the list on this page of what is being alleged to be contained in the EU proposal by the European Commission are false.  To reiterate all the statements on this page are  fiction but most have been publicised in the press as fact regarding the European Commissions proposal, we are not responsible for the interpretation of said comments etc.

Have you heard – that you won’t be able to service your bike at home?

Have you heard – that you won’t even be able to change the handlebars?

Have you heard – that you will only be able to use standard approved parts?

Have you heard –  that there is a proposal to make Periodical Technical Inspection (MoT) obligatory throughout EU – a super MOT in the UK – that will stop the fitting of non standard parts?

Have you heard – that the EU is proposing or considering new laws for compulsory hi-vis jackets?

Have you heard – that the EU is proposing that motorcycles will be banned from filtering in traffic?

Have you heard – that the EU is proposing to ban all motorcycles over seven years from cities?

Have you heard – that motorcyclists will have to have their registration number written across the back and front of hiz-viz jackets?

Have you heard – that European proposals will single out motorcycles for regular roadside checks?

Have you heard – you won’t even be able to change your own oil at home?

Have you heard – that OBD (On Board Diagnostics) will be accessed by authorities giving information such as emissions, readouts of engine output and past riding style for prosecution – Computer chips on every bike to monitor and ultimately disable engines? (though if you drive a car you’ll probably know that these” Type” of systems are already common).

Have you heard – that these proposals will kill local garages and ruin the custom trade, where people’s hobbies are building and converting motorcycles?

Have you heard that a European Committee is rubber stamping these regulations in October or was that January?

Have you heard –  all bikes will “be illegal” after the 5th of October?

Have you heard – the vote in November has been delayed until February?

Have you heard – these proposals will stop motorcyclists customising their bikes – or fitting Braided steel brake hoses, high flow airfilters, brake pads, handle bar risers, different footpegs and silencers?

Have you heard – one of the proposals is that once a motorbike is bought it can not be customised, it must remain as it came out of the factory?

Have you heard – that this is part of the EU’s attempts to completely remove motorcyclists from EU roads?

Clarification – 28-09-11: Let’s be clear the list on this page of what is being alleged to be contained in the EU proposal by the European Commission are false.  To reiterate all the statements on this page are  fiction but most have been publicised in the press as fact regarding the European Commissions proposal, we are not responsible for the interpretation of said comments etc.

Information

We have been following and reporting in-depth on the issues and you can find these all on the – EU Regulating Biking News – Click Here

List of documents regarding the regulations that we have produced at Right To Ride EU – Click Here

Further details on the EU Regulating Biking page – Click Here

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(23) Stephen
Mon, 16 January 2012 00:40
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Unfortunately yes Josie,The community to which I belong is rampant with doomsayers claiming that the sky is falling,hopefully they will get bored and their sense of outrage will diminish as its proven to them that they are being whipped up by cries of wolf from people whom I thought would have known better



(22) Josie
Thu, 29 December 2011 20:52

Stephen, Is it only you and a minority that think that the world has gone insane? Have we all arrived at the lowest common denominator? Is it true?

http://youtu.be/BHqL7dNujNc

Takes on a whole new meaning!

(21) Right To Ride
Thu, 29 December 2011 14:56
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Another petition to Reject EU (Motorcycle) 'Anti-tampering' legislation - that this EU legislation must be rejected by the UK government.

Bangs head on wall at incompetence of petition writer.................

There's no EU proposal to ban filtering, there's no EU proposal to ban customising bikes, there's no EU proposal to ban bikes over 7 years in urban areas, there's no EU proposal to use law enforcement to stop people to check emissions.

Our advise don't sign this petition.

Reject EU 'Anti-tampering' legislation - Click Here



(20) David Butler
Tue, 22 November 2011 23:40

40.000 rode in UK to protest in September; Several thousand are reported to be ready to protest this week.
Yet only 1,447 have signed the http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14227.
Come on you bikers, sign the petition and get it debated!

Hi David

The protest organised by Motorcycle News took place today 22nd November, although with 1,292 members registered on their Facebook group it would appear that there was only numbers in the low hundreds in attendance.

Regarding the petition, apart from the spelling mistake - Legisilation - in the title, it says," Bikes older than 7 years banned form urban areas." and " All of these legislations infringe on our human rights as a motorbike rider, we don't see car drivers being banned from urban areas in cars older than 7 years." There is nothing in the proposal that says or even suggests that motorcycles will be banned from urban areas that are older than 7 years. In fact this was a proposal from the French Government for French urban areas and included cars it is not a European proposal.

The petition says, "All of the new legislations have been thought up by politicians who know nothing of riding a motorbike." which being pedantic is factually wrong, this new legislation like all new legislation is submitted to the EU Parliament by the European Commission not the politicians although they can recommend legislation but not in this case. There are a few politicians who do ride motorcycles.

The title of the petition is, "Don't implement any of the new EU Motorbike Legisilation (sic)" why would I want to sign this misinformed petition when the proposal will do this.

“On the other hand anticipated correlation between safety and power limitation for motorcycles could not be confirmed in several scientific studies. For that reason and in order to remove internal barriers to trade on the Union market, the option for Member States to mandate motorcycles to be limited to a maximum power of 74 kW (100bhp) will no longer be maintained."

Regarding debate we are just returning from Brussels where we have met with a representative from the European Commission and the chair of the IMCO committee, which is dealing with the proposal as it heads to Parliament.


(19) Stephen
Sat, 15 October 2011 13:03

You have made it perfectly clear that there is a list of falsehoods masquerading as facts written at the top of this page, you can state it over and over again for the benefit of all that these are untruths doing the rounds of the biker networks and social media, you can write it in Dayglo and slap an anti-tampering notice on it but the message wont sink in.

Just read the replies above and despair.

I am going to start a campaign to introduce mandatory IQ testing of anyone applying for a bike licence.

(18) Elaine
Wed, 12 October 2011 08:42

On the MAG UK Facebook page, the following was written with regards to correspondence between the MEP Malcolm Harbour and ourselves at Right To Ride.

Jenny Cook: Sog this query has been answered after your post on the Action Now! page... "Hi Sog - The letter from Malcolm Harbour was not written to RTR, but was a standard letter used in response from any Tory MEP who needed to reply to a constituent.

MAG has always said that there are issues in the Regulation that worry us, and there are issues that are domestic, as well as other threats like the PTI regulation which is coming, and that 25th Sept is a great way to draw attention to all of them in one go.

Unfortunately one or two other sources of information did blur the source of the various threats to motorcycling, but MAG has always been clear."

While we understand that the letter (email in our case) was standard, the fact is that we received this information from Mr Harbour - but more importantly, it was not made public until we published it. That's the issue, along with the fact that there has been a lot of confusion of exactly what the EU proposals are.

Feel free to reply, we won't delete your response.

(17) Confused
Wed, 28 September 2011 13:34

Now I'm confused! What are the issues? It seems that there are quite a few articles on this website that seem to explain what's going on.

Right To Ride: If you head to EU Regulating Biking that page has the Proposal Details - Proposal Basics - Relevant Documents from the European Commission and as you say links off to our reports and latest news on the proposal which explain what's going on.

The best pages are probally Wheat From The Chaff and Regulations Sense And Sensibilityf


So what's the problem? Is it because people don't understand why they are protesting? Is it a bad thing to want to discuss it? Is it heresy to suggest that the above statements are not true, and if so, why?

Right To Ride: I think that yes people don't understand why they are protesting and it is all falling back to "we hate the EU" "lets leave we don't need these 20th Century German Dictators they are all Communists" etc etc.

Not a bad thing to want to discuss it, if there was open discussion, go onto Facebook try saying something reasonable and you get flamed or ignored.

Yes it does seem like heresy, the two links to the pages above were from MAG and September (11 days) before the demonstration and despite these messages doing the rounds and sent out in response to riders' letters by MEPs, they all seem to have been ignored.


It seems to me that in the end, the European Commission and the European parliament will have the final say - and that's a fact.

Right To Ride: You could be right.

First the proposal from the European Commission is a proposal, the IMCO Committee of MEPs have submitted over 300 amendments to the proposal, they are looking at these amendments at the moment and will vote on their final document, at the moment to be voted on in November.

This then goes to the European Parliament for all MEPs to vote on.

Meanwhile the Council of Ministers - Member states representatives - are looking at the European Commissions proposal.

If the vote at the European Parliament on the IMCO committee report, which we don't know the final contents of gets passed on its First Reading and if the Council of Ministers and the European Commission all align (agree) the contains then it all gets passed.

There is no date for the vote in the European Parliament at the moment - possibly in December.

But it's still worthing fighting to the end!


(16) TimmyBoy
Wed, 28 September 2011 11:38

"Clarification – 28-09-11: Let’s be clear the list [of items] on this page ... are FALSE ... all the statements are NOT FICTION but most have been publicised in the press as FACT"

Well I'm glad we got that cleared up then!

Right To Ride: Opps! you're right changed - To reiterate all the statements on this page are fiction but most have been publicised in the press as fact regarding the European Commissions proposal..................

(15) TimmyBoy
Wed, 28 September 2011 10:32

Right To Ride:Thanks for your comments, we had originaly set up this page to get riders opinions and feedback on what they thought the proposals meant, not comments on the respective organisations but with your and the previous post then I would agree this is an issue, to present as you say, an united voice.

Try talking to MAG and the BMF and start working together against Europe with a united voice.

Right To Ride: We work well with the BMF in Northern Ireland on a lot of issues, although there are MAG members in Northern Ireland there is no MAG organised in Northern Ireland...

Nicely side-stepped, Trevor.

I think there was a suggestion there that you talk to MAG and start working together.

There is a MAG Ireland and a MAG UK, do you have no dialogue with them?

Apparently a lack of MAG in NI means a Euro-centric website doesn't see any reason to talk to MAG UK?? MAG-UK are also conspicuously absent from your links page. Well it strikes me as a bit odd that the ex-MAG General Secretary seems to be avoiding direct contact with one of the biggest Riders Rights national organisations in Europe...

Is there something you're not telling us?

Right To Ride: As you say I was MAG's General Secretary and also after that for a while FEMA's (Federation of European Motorcyclists Associations) Technical Officer. Also Elaine at Right To Ride was MAG UK's Research Officer and then at FEMA - however this is not the place to go into these details and we never would publically. Suffice to say that committees were draining the life blood from me!

We work well with the BMF in Northern Ireland of which I am a member, we do joint initiatives in Northern Ireland, with them.

We (Elaine and I) are both MAG members and if you go onto our www.righttoride.co.uk website, you will see that MAG UK is listed on the relevant links page.

Also MAG UK - The chairman, Gen. Sec. Campaigns Manager and Editor of the Road are all subscribed to our press releases, so they have first-hand updates on anything we publish.

So they are perfectly capable of replying if they wish to do so.

We also work with MAG Ireland and have a very good relationship with them. In fact they have carried one of our articles on their website at www.magireland.org as we carry their articles when pertinent. We have their RSS feed on the www.righttoride.co.uk

On the www.righttoride.eu website we have listed some of the European organisations, but that is not intended as a slight to MAG UK, simply because it is intended to target a European audience. As it says: Links to lobbying, campaigning and riders rights organisations in Europe are listed on this page if we have collaborated on riders issues, or a reciprocal link has been established or simply because we like what they say!

We like what we do here and the good thing about it is that we write what we want and what we think is right.

As our logo states - "Don't expect us to be Quiet!"

Of course the fact that you are able to come onto our website and comment is because we're not afraid to have a dialogue.

The only thing I would ask is that it relates to the issues - such as what is really happening with the EU Commission's proposals.

We aren't trying to be a threat to anybody, just trying to get information out there
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At Right To Ride we do not want to dwell on this and want to get on with the issue in hand and use this page for riders to voice their comments on the EU Proposals.

What have you heard and what do you believe is contained in the EU proposals?

What are your thoughts on these European proposal?

How will they affect motorcycling?

How will they affect you


(14) Vlad Theimpaler
Wed, 28 September 2011 09:11

From Romania, It seems that everybody is getting confused. What you are suggesting is that all the above - Have you heard - blah, blah, blah... is BS i.e Not true, exagerations etc. But the answers suggest that everybody believes that they are true. There appears to be a dichotomy....Which is - if you write BS, then it's true, but if you write facts then nobody believes them or isn't interested. Perhaps you need to put a disclaimer at the top of the page such as: All the statements on this page are fiction, we are not responsible for the interpretation of said comments etc.

Off now to find some garlic. Best regards, Vlad

(13) Mick
Mon, 26 September 2011 22:30

They can ALL KISS MY ARSE!!! I'll NEVER wear a hi vis jacket. If you can't hear me coming then Blue Lights n Sirens n ALL the hi Viz in the world would make no difference.

Anyway why should I be dictated to as to what I wear because some myopic cage driver is too busy texting on his Blackberry to look.

Next Census put Biker as your religion and then claim any regulation is religious discrimination!!!!

(12) david
Mon, 26 September 2011 22:19

I have just returned to biking after 30 years and there is fun in commuting in stead of one in a 1700cc car now there is one on a 400cc bike going to work with a smile.
Regretfully I did not here of the protest ride so there was one less
This is just tactics to see how far the they can push before there is up roar then they let you think you win when they concede the some points as unworkable but all the time trying to gain as much control of everyone's freedom.
Telling you its for YOUR SAFETY we know best.
now the real reason is a distraction from how they have screwed the world economy and the real cost of their wars IF THEY CARED ABOUT LIFE they would not send citizens to there possible deaths in wars zones
smoke and mirrors
UNFORTUNATELY WE MUST SHOUT AND SCREAM AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE TO STOP FREEDOMS BEING LOST FOR GOOD

(11) Muttley
Mon, 26 September 2011 20:52

Dont think theres a lot we can do about all these laws,they will most likely be phased in bit by bit over the next 10 to 15 years ,this will apease all the protesters at the start,who will think they have won a victory over the goverment.no chance,far better if every one now ran open pipes ,small or even better chinese number plates,all say we have all sold our bikes to some person from china,drive with no road tax ,no insurance,ride it like you stole it ,if the laws do come in thats what i intend to do,show them just how anti social we can be,,45 year old hoodies on bikes cant wait

(10) an old fart
Mon, 26 September 2011 19:45

im all for this as this will also mean that the Police&Paramedic bikes will have to conform as well

(9) donna
Mon, 26 September 2011 19:41

the lunatics are runing the asylam!!!!!!!!
the whole world has gone beserk,,
biking is hard enough without all this crap threw at ous.



(8) Charlie Chambers
Mon, 26 September 2011 18:56

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry reading these "proposals" !! As already said,if I couldn't filter on my daily commute I would also go mad,even though a lot of other road users don't seem to think it's ok for bikers to do it!

As for bikes over 7 years old & the banning of modifications,I ride a 12 year old CBR,which has braided hoses,full Micron system,etc etc and the bike is ridden every day & never misses a beat - it would be like saying I could never use my right arm again! Soul destroying.

(7) greg mcquitty
Mon, 26 September 2011 18:53

i bought a bike for the freedom.this takes the biscuit.it could be worse it could be law to take the wife with you

(6) Billy Rubins
Mon, 26 September 2011 15:07

Gemma makes some really good points. see

http://www.righttoride.eu/?p=7548&cpage=1#comment-1153

I think the only thing I'd disagree with her is point 5, but that's because the so-called 7 year ban is a French government proposal and refers to all vehicles, including cars - pushed mainly by the Greens. So I can't see that affecting us here in the UK, given that the average age of a vehicle here (that includes cars) is just over seven years and the local authorities here are far more cunning - they just charge - e.g. London charging etc....



(5) JonW
Mon, 26 September 2011 14:08

Of course most of your examples are false. (Or are you going to tell me they are all not true?)

Right To Ride: Yes they are false as it says - "All these alleged anti-motorcycle proposals have been lifted from discussions and reports. But there is a lot of misinformation out there, scaring people unnecessarily" this is what is being reported in the press and to riders.

Here's one that is: "Have you heard - every article I have read recently on Right to Ride seem to imply they know best and anything said by or organised by anyone else is wrong?"

Right To Ride: Right To Ride has aimed to provide clear and factual details of the progression of the Commission’s proposals and the discussions that have taken place within the Internal Market and Consumer Protection (IMCO) Committee. We have communicated to all the players in the Commission, Industry and IMCO expressing our views and concerns.

Come on guys! A more positive stance will benefit us all.

Try talking to MAG and the BMF and start working together against Europe with a united voice.

Right To Ride: We work well with the BMF in Northern Ireland on a lot of issues, although there are MAG members in Northern Ireland there is no MAG organised in Northern Ireland, although between us at Right To Ride, we are members of both organisations.

Yesterdays demo was a fantastic show of strength against ANY interference from Europe. The details really don't matter.

Right To Ride: We have not critised the demos and infact promoted them both on here at Right To Ride EU on the Northern Ireland Right To Ride site and on their respective Facebook pages. Of course the details matter, you either make the reasons you are protesting fact or spin and if it is spin, then we all lose out.

As you said, they keep moving the goalposts anyway. What biking doesn't need is mavericks and little empire builders.

Right To Ride: What biking needs and always has had are mavericks and to be likened to mavericks is a compliment as a nonconformist, individualist; free thinker; who takes an independent stand apart from his or her associates. MAG wouldn't be where is it today without mavericks.

As for little empire builders, what empire would that be? Anyway, it's totally false and if you are giving it an argument or fitting that into your reasoning against what we are doing, then you start to use the lowest common denominator of name calling.


The campaign to stop EU restrictive legislation has no room for egos or personal agendas.

Right To Ride: See above plus, nor is there room for blind acceptance of what is, in our view, misinformation.

A lot of what I have read on this website implies a go-it-alone attitude bordering on sour grapes. What the organisers of such successful events as yesterday do not need is political in-fighting undermining their efforts.

Right To Ride: "implies a go-it-alone attitude bordering on sour grapes" Its not go it alone, there is MAG there is the BMF there is FEMA and we would never put ourselves in the same category of these organisations. They have their opinion on this EU Legislation and we have ours based on factual reporting, whether that is undermining their efforts we don't know

The objective of this website is to keep it simple and provide information about legislation from the EU Commission, EU Parliament as well as other motorcycling issues from other European countries, based on the experience that we've built up over the years as lobbyists.

We are reporting the facts and giving our opinion - motorcyclists are all a passionate bunch and you are obviously passionate in your posting.

However the purpose of this page is to give riders the opportunity to post what they heard and what they believe is contained in the EU proposals.

What their thoughts are on this European proposal – How will it affect motorcycling – How will it affect them/us.

Plain and simple no empire building no egos or personal agendas.

What are your concerns?


(4) Jill Adair
Mon, 26 September 2011 13:46

Jill Adair 26th Sept 2011

The EU Legislation issues which threaten the life style of every biker in Europe are not being made known to enough of us.
The nationwide 'ride-out' on 25th September in protest of these regulations was not given much exposure by the media prior to it or indeed after the event.
I rode out with my boyfriend on this 'Hands Off Biking' protest yesterday but it was not that well attended considering the amount of bikers there are in the Southend-on-Sea area!
We rode along the A127 and back along the A13 to finish by passing along Southend Seafront. Bystanders were surprised and looked on without realising why we were there. We did receive some support from a few car drivers along the 40 mile route but it was minimal whilst the many bikers who passed us on the other side of the road looked bewildered just not realising what we were trying to make the public aware of and that it was going to effect them!
All of this led us to believe (as has been mentioned on your site) that there has to be a more efficient advertising campaign for any further protests and even banner waving on the way!!!

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